Former Minister for Foreign Affairs Mahendra Bahadur Pandey is appointed as the ambassador of Nepal to China and is assuming the post from July this year. As an envoy of the country to the world economic superpower which is also the second largest trading partner, important source of tourists and other various exchanges, Pandey has to prove his mettle to take the bilateral relations between the two countries to newer heights in the wake of the signing of the agreements to use the ports in China and Nepal’s entry to the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), taking the progress of the bilateral connectivity infrastructure and trade issues. Gopal Khanal and Modnath Dhakal of The Rising Nepal talked to Pandey about the contemporary as well as past issues and his plans as an envoy to China. Excerpts:
You have already served as the Foreign Affairs
Minister of the country and worked as the policymaker of the foreign relations
while you are taking up the responsibility of the country's envoy to the
world's largest country and second largest economy. How do you feel about it?
We were writing constitution when I was the minister
so we were more focused on social, cultural and other policies for the people
of the country. The foreign ministry had to discover some innovative methods to
deal with some topics in absence of policies. Foreign policy is largely the
same for every country meaning that we work to fulfil and achieve the ‘national
interest’. It is also said that foreign policy is the reflection of the
domestic policy therefore we must have our house in order to make the external
relations better and effective, but regardless of who comes to the power, it
remains the same. The constitution has also clearly enshrined that foreign
policy would remain the same for all friendly nations whatever political party
comes to power while the Charter of the United Nations and other international
treaty and conventions will also guide it. We want to befriend all and resolve
the issues, if any, in friendly way and diplomatically.
Being an ambassador to China is an immense
opportunity. The two countries have millennia-old relationship. Rana Prime
Minister Ranodip had brought Chinese language teacher to learn it. Cultural,
social and economic relations have been taken to newer height in every regime
in both countries. But relations do change with the time and we have to be wise
enough to understand the changes and move accordingly. China has about one
fifth of the world’s population and is source of a large number of tourists,
investment, trade and cultural exchanges. Nepal needs to understand the global
status and China's position as well as Nepal's interest with China and
international scenario. We have long-lasting cultural and economic relations
which need to be developed and upgraded as per the changing time and
technology. China is a country which has achieved much progress in a short span
of time so Nepal has lot many things to learn from its northern neighbour.
Have you made any rough planning or to do list as an
ambassador of China?
My job would be strengthening bilateral political,
diplomatic, cultural and economic relations between the two countries. Making
the relations more trustworthy and reliable and attracting Chinese tourists and
investments to Nepal would be my priorities. Likewise, there is a necessity to
further develop people-to-people relations, create impactful connections
between the think tanks across the border, exchange of professionals, and
knowledge transfer in agriculture, communication, business and education.
We must not forget that although countries might be
large and small, powerful and less powerful in terms of demographics, size and
economy, their sovereignty is equal. Therefore, the United Nations treats all
its members equally. I think that we have maintained cordial relations with
China as well as any other countries. China aims to completely alleviate the
poverty by the end of 2020, by lifting the living standard of about 100 million
people. Nepal can learn many things in economic, health, technological, communication,
cultural and educational areas from China.
Some of the Chinese ideologies, such as the one by
incumbent President Xi Jinping, are opposed by some intellectuals but every
country wants to promote its policies while every other country should learn
from the good practices of its neighbours and elsewhere. I believe that our
cooperation in the areas of science and technology and innovation would be more
beneficial for us.
Nepal had signed Transport and Transit Treaty with
China during the first tenure of PM KP Sharma Oli, when Nepal’s relations with
the southern neighbour had touched the lowest ebb, and protocols for the same
were signed last year which has opened the way for Nepal to access additional 7
dry and sea ports in China. How would you work to make it practically viable
for Nepali entrepreneurs and traders?
The trilateral relations had witnessed its low when
Nepal signed the treaty. We must not forget that PM Oli took a stand and helped
in easing the blockade imposed by India five years back. He visited India first
then China only after his stand of not visiting the former until it lifted the
blockade was addressed. The signing of the treaty was not a temporary measure
against the blockade but a long-term strategy for the expansion of trade and
economic cooperation.
When Xi Jinping visited Nepal about 20 agreements had
been signed. China has allowed Nepal to use its 7 ports. But we need to have
people and goods to move via those ports. Nepal's participation in BRI has been
interpreted from various dimensions, but we have to work to use the initiative
in our favour in terms of the creation of infrastructure and promoting
international trade. A cross-border railway between Nepal and China has also been
received critically by some economists. They say that it should only be
developed if China provided grant and Nepal should not seek loan to build it
nor invest its own funds in the projects. They have the view that Nepal cannot
handle and manage the project of that scale. This is a biased view.
Therefore, we have to be prepared in terms of the
goods to send to China and beyond before using the route in China in order to
reap the benefits of the new 7 ports that were open to Nepal for the use. We
have to increase our agricultural and industrial production and enhance the
quality. Nepal can benefit a lot from Chinese tourists. I had proposed the
topic to the Chinese government when I was the minister and they have expressed
concerns about the availability and quality of infrastructure. Chinese tourists
would have been increased following the official visit of President Xi, but
COVID-19 pandemic spoilt the opportunity. However, hopes are still alive that
Nepal will certainly welcome more tourists from China in future. Nepal is a
unique tourist destination in terms of culture, people and ecology - it has new
climatic condition in every 10 km, but we have not been very successful in
promoting it. Nepal is an example of religious tolerance, attractive cultures,
and heritages.
Chinese President Xi, who initiated the BRI with the
theme of partnership and shared prosperity, visited Nepal after 23 years. Nepal
has also become the part of the initiative. Have you talked with the government
about the projects under the BRI?
I have met the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister as
well as the officials at the ministry and experts regarding the issues and
projects with China. The northern neighbour is developing railway up to Keyrung
soon. But we are not prepared for the connecting infrastructure in Nepal’s
side. Only pre-feasibility study of Tokha-Chhahare tunnel is completed. But as
the projects to create tunnels and railways in Nepal are in priority, I am
hopeful that things will move in positive direction in the near future. I have
also discussed the issues of education, tourism, agriculture, and technology
with PM Oli, ministers and experts. China has pledged its support for Madan
Bhandari Institute of Science and Technology. It will have affiliated campuses
in all states. The government also aims to run schools to create students
capable to pursue science and technology in higher level. I would like to take such
issues further. I have also discussed with the private sector entrepreneurs and
traders to understand the export opportunity in China and things that the
government should facilitate.
There is also a need to establish a bank with
bilateral investment since its absence has affected the bilateral trade. Chinese
banks have already shown interest to open a branch, the matter is under discussion.
As we have Indian, Bangladeshi and other banks in Nepal, there should be a
Chinese bank as well. We should accord priority to the BRI and projects under
it because it will help Nepal to reduce the infrastructure gap and create
greater connectivity with other countries. Since we need it, we have to exhibit
greater concerns to the initiative. Nepal should soon create policies to get
benefits from both the immediate neighbours. Since we want to get benefit from
the projects, we have to show greater concerns.
President Xi had said that China would help Nepal in becoming
a land-linked country from the landlocked one. Many said it heralded an age of
strategic partnership between the two neighbours. Do you think it has tried to
redefine the bilateral relations?
When we talk about land-linked status, it should be
understood that we need two powers to create a link. China will build a rail
line up to Lumbini and India has announced to build one up to Kathmandu. This
will be a strong link between the two economic powers. It will facilitate
bringing Chinese goods to South Asia or facilitating Indian pilgrims to reach
Mansarovar in Tibet. Such projects will benefit immensely. It will not only
redefine the relations but also give the much needed impetus to growth and
development. The relationship followed by a bond of a new initiative is
stronger and more reliable. We will create an environment to win the confidence
of both the countries. I would also like to repeat that Himalayas in the north
is not a challenge but a symbol of amity between Nepal and China.
You are assuming the post of envoy to a neighbour at a
time when another neighbour had unilaterally encroached Nepali land and
developed infrastructure there. China also comes in the scene so far as the
trilateral connection point is concerned. What is your take on the Chinese
statement that Kalapani is a bilateral issue between Nepal and India and
solution should be sought by the two?
Kalapani area has been pushed into a dispute not
because of Nepal but India. Nepal has sufficient and strong historical evidences
that it is Nepal’s territory. We have to follow the historic facts; this should
be the modus operandi for finding solution. Nepal also believes in the same
principle. Nepal has unconditionally supported India for many times including
India's election to the UN Security Council, and I don't think India would sit with
the problem any further troubling its neighbour which shares unparalleled
relations anywhere in the world. The friendship won’t erode due to the current
problem and the issue will be resolved as per the evidences available. I
believe that India will thankfully return the land to Nepal. But first, it is a
bilateral issue so Nepal should resolve it first with India then only talk
about the trilateral point should be initiated.
Indian occupation of Nepali territory has halted
Nepal-China border demarcation primarily from pillar no. 1 to pillar no. 0. In
2015, when India and China signed an agreement to set the bilateral border
point at Lipulek, we sent diplomatic notes – I was the foreign affairs minister
then, while China expressed its readiness for further investigation and
discussion, but India said that it was its own land. Recently when Indian army
chief made comments about the Kalapani region, I said that threatening the
neighbour and using the army chief instead of diplomats would not help in
finding the solution. But many intellectuals criticised my statements. There
were rumours that I said King Mahendra had exchanged Kalapani with gold. Those
intellectuals have lost 'intellectual honesty'. I would like to urge the media
persons and experts to directly consult me about the issue and not tarnish my
loyalty to the nation and nationalism. My perspectives are clear, and no one
can force or create deterioration in my belief and orientation.
In the recent years, the trade between Nepal and China
has grown significantly but Nepal’s exports are minimal while Chinese imports
have increased. What would you do to address this issue?
First, we have to produce enough for the domestic
consumption. Then effective assessment should be made about the goods and
products that are in demand in the foreign markets. Most of the industries
developed with cooperation from foreign support are sick. Rubber industry,
sugar factory, cotton mill and textile mill are all shut. The country must
establish industries to cater to the domestic need as well as foreign markets. Nepal
can be a market of ancillary and spare parts industries which can be
established in cooperation with the industries in China and India since they
are the largest markets.
Herbs and herbals including yarsha gumba are in high
demand in China so greater focus should be on such produces. We opened market
of citrus fruit from Nepal to China but we import lemon and other citrus fruit
from India. Nepal should learn from the experiences of other successful
countries. Promotion of technology in agriculture and its commercialisation
should be given utmost priority.
In the last couple of years, a section of people has
been saying that Nepal's ties with China are growing. Do you think it happening
while the country, after the current government coming to power, has adopted a
balanced foreign policy?
There is no limit to knowledge, science and conscience
which means we must take every good thing and idea happening anywhere in the
world, not only in China and India. Reading Adam Smith doesn't mean that one is
the supporter of capitalism while reading Karl Marx does not mean following the
philosophy of communism. For us, Nepal's relation with China is similar with
the latter's relation with India. We are not pro to any power be that China,
India, the USA, EU or Japan. We are pro-Nepal and want cordial and balanced
relations with all.
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